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Post by sarahaubreyr on Feb 10, 2016 17:25:57 GMT -5
I went to my first Catholic Wedding a few years back and realized how completely different it is from a "typical wedding." In any other wedding I've been to the ceremony is typically 20 to 30 minutes long and we only stand when the bride enters and when the newly married couple leaves. However in the Catholic wedding that I attended I noticed it was completely different. First, the ceremony was almost 2 hours long. There were many instances that we had to stand up and sing chants that normally happen during a Catholic mass (I presume). Also throughout the ceremony the bride and groom were sitting down and kneeling on the ground. In a noncatholic wedding the bride and groom stand side by side throughout the whole ceremony. So I found this part of a the Catholic ceremony to be strange. If I were to bring it back to the chanting, I found it extremely uncomfortable because I seemed to be the only person who did not know the chants they were singing. In the middle of the ceremony we had to get up and take communion. However, since I was not Catholic I had to cross my hands over my chest and the Priest blessed me. Then we went back to our seats and the ceremony finished. However, the strangest occurrence of them all is at the end of the wedding the couple did not kiss. I found myself baffled at this situation because you hear of having the first kiss as a newly wed couple at the end of the ceremony. So to not see this I felt like the ceremony was not over. However, at the end of this experience I truly enjoyed being an outsider to this new type of wedding because I learned about a nee type of ceremony and how no wedding is the "traditional" wedding.
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Post by rachel1827 on Feb 10, 2016 17:37:41 GMT -5
One area of second discourse for me is Politics! I am proud to say that I am a politic junkie. With all the recent debates, primaries, and caucuses it made me even more aware of my proud status. I was talking to some of my friends and realized how little they knew and they said that they are voting this year. I threw around terms like delegates, caucuses, straw-poll, super-delegates, and brokered convention. I was met with looks of confusion and boredom. It is such a specialized language that having a conversation with anyone about politics can create angry or confusion. Having a conversion with my friend about a brokered convention allowed her to get interested, but I had to explain it step by step and use a lot smaller terms. This discourse was so obvious because it is such a specialized language that if you are not part of the group then you can be lost.
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Post by loganc on Feb 10, 2016 21:41:59 GMT -5
Similar to many other people, my secondary discourse took place in my work environment. I had worked in a small, "mom and pop" BBQ place all throughout high school. This restaurant was exactly what you would think of when you think of a mom and pop BBQ joint. By that I mean, the same people came in everyday for breakfast, lunch and dinner, people would have specific tables that they liked to sit in when they came in EVERY Sunday after church, everyone ordered the same thing every time that they came and literally EVERYONE knew each other by name. The same family had always owned the place and it had been passed down from father to son for over 70 years. Customers would have no problem sticking their heads in the back to invite the line cooks (the owner) to their child's birthday party, wedding, whatever. Not to mention, my work uniform was jeans and a t-shirt with the restaurant's logo on the front. I thought this was how every restaurant was because I had never known anything different... Then, I went off to college and began working at a franchised restaurant where I would have to ring it into the computer for record keeping if my table wanted an extra side of ranch. The BBQ restaurant that I worked at in high school was very casual and very lax when it came to anything. I could eat while I was working and no one would ever say a thing to me. Then, at this franchised place I was so confused why they were always shouting numbers "86 the mashed potatoes" "12-top tables" and weird things like "on the fly". At my old job we would just say "we're out of mashed potatoes" and "12 people can sit there...14, if some of the people are children and "HEY I NEED THAT NOW!". It was an entire new language to learn and I did not understand. I am positive that my boss thought I had lied to him when I said I had previous experience working in a restaurant.
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Post by morgan on Feb 11, 2016 14:06:58 GMT -5
My secondary discourse is working at a Christian church. There is a Youtube video that's called "Shoot Christian's Say" and my coworkers and I watched it and were laughing so hard because the stereotypes the video portrayed about our secondary discourse are very true. We often use discourse that could be completely foreign to people who haven't run in Christian circles before.
For instance, in just regular conversations we often talk about feeling "far from God" or not doing our "personal worship" consistently. We throw around words like “sin” and “salvation”. Someone who hasn’t heard these words/sayings before could probably figure out what we’re referring to within context just because these are rather well known in society. However, when we’re talking about “Theology” (the study of the nature of God and religious belief) and we’re throwing around words like transubstantiation, legalism, repentance, sanctification, etc., it would honestly be really hard to follow along as someone who is new to Christianity.
In order to learn things like this, Christians read lots of theological books, they go to seminary (school to learn about theology and the Bible), go to conferences, and it takes years and years to learn these things.
The deeper you are involved in Christianity, (if you work as a pastor or at a church), the deeper you go into Christian terminology. This is true for any religious group you come across and the more you learn about the religion, the more terminology you pick up on, the more you acquire your religious secondary discourse.
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Post by wmm12d on Feb 11, 2016 22:27:44 GMT -5
I have played tennis, on and off, for 5 years with friends. Without ever having a lesson, I can still “play”. However, it wasn’t until I recently joined a tennis league that I learned that the sport has its own unique discourse and practices, and that I was ignorant of most of both of them.
I knew when and how to serve, return serve, change sides, and keep score, in singles and doubles play; the mechanics. However, I quickly realized that I needed to learn so much more. For example, in my first team doubles practice, my experienced partner, whom I had just met, asked me this heart-stopping question: “you want the ad or deuce court?” I had no idea what he was asking me, so I went to my bag of tricks and asked him to repeat his question. Luckily, when he restated his inquiry, he said, “do you want the forehand side or the backhand side of the court”? I let out a sigh of relief, said that I would prefer the forehand side, and hoped he did not perceive my mushfake.
There is one thing I did know about tennis: as a fan you are expected to clap only when a player hits a clear winner, not when a player makes an unforced error or hits the ball into the net. When fans break this unwritten rule, they instantly become the recipients of disapproving glares, especially from the spouse, child, or friend of the player whose terrible shot was just applauded. They are also “outed” as newcomers. I have actually seen a newcomer like this being corrected by a tennis purist. This rule is broken at every match because it is difficult to avoid cheering when your favorite player gets a point.
But still, there was more I needed to learn. I was told to “break” my opponents serve, and to “hold” my own. I didn’t know what that meant either. I was instructed that if the ball comes to me “inside-out”, hit it “outside-in.” Then I was really lost and had nothing to say but, “what are you talking about?” My cover was blown, my ignorance shown, and I was ready to let out a shout (not really, but it rhymed). Another time, I was playing singles, and my opponent’s shot nipped the top of the net and dropped onto my side for a winner. He raised his hand and apologized. I asked why. He told me. I told him if I had hit the same shot and had the same result, I would have done a fist pump and jumped in the air! I was a baseball player growing up and in college, and we always went nuts on big plays. Some of the unwritten rules in tennis are stupid, but I learned to get along just fine in my new secondary discourse.
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Post by kasee on Feb 12, 2016 16:50:33 GMT -5
My secondary discourse is the spinning class that I attend and now teach. I have done spinning for almost two years now and thought I knew the lingo and proper movements. It wasn't until a few weeks ago when I took a spinning trainer certification course that I became aware that I was not fully aware of the ins and outs of the exercise. There is much more that is involved in the exercise than simply hopping on the bike and pedaling. There is a unique and distinct language in spinning that is different from biking outdoors, and its so much more than a standard stationary bike. When you walk into my spinning class, the black lights are turned on, music is blaring and strange terms are thrown around that would be foreign to someone that doesn't spin. Phrases such as cadence, revolutions per minute, jumps, flats, hips back, hand positions 1, 2, and 3, fore/aft position, flywheel, etc. are not terms that are used in all types of exercise. Many choose to wear "special spin shoes" and heart rate monitors. When you walk into the room, each person has "their bike." Some are a little pickier than others, but its understood that each participant has a favorite bike. It often becomes the elephant in the room if someone has taken another person's bike, or if the fan has been moved to a different location in the room. Little things like this mean everything to some people. Group fitness classes each have their own quirks and uniqueness, and this spinning class is no different. It has its own language and culture, but this secondary discourse is fun and not hard to achieve an understanding of.
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Post by SophinaA on Feb 13, 2016 9:57:50 GMT -5
My secondary discourse revolves around my involvement as an Orientation Leader (OL) here on FSU's campus. As an OL, I have specific expectations that I must withhold as I am leading the incoming students through the Orientation program. For example, I am not allowed to call the incoming students anything other than "Students" or by their names. Also, I have to refer to any of their guardians as "family members" since the word "parent" might not actually relate to who is there with the student. This can sometimes sound odd when speaking to individuals who are not OLs. I have even caught myself speaking to friends and saying something such as, "Oh, you have the cutest family members" versus "oh, you have the cutest parents." This change of my mental schema has made me seem foreign to some as if I appear as if I am unaware of what the appropriate societal terms are for certain people. Also, I was trained to not point with one finger or say the word "guys" when referring to people. So it is now second nature to say, "hey, everyone" or "Hey, friends!" versus, "Hey, guys!" This has become of how I speak on a daily basis and I tend to cringe when I hear others say "guys." I oftentimes feel the need to correct them but then I remember that I am not working. This secondary discourse has not only affected how I look to others around me but also how i now see other people. It started by being a strictly workplace discourse to now an everyday life discourse.
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Post by felishadake on Feb 13, 2016 15:06:26 GMT -5
The secondary discourse I took notice of occurred when I was visiting my brother and sister in law in a small town in North Carolina. We went to church on Sunday morning and I immediately noticed a routine that everyone was familiar with except for me. Without prompting, everyone knew when to sit, when to stand, and when it was time to sing. They also knew all of the words to the songs that were played. I was unfamiliar with the verses they made reference to, which impeded my ability to understand what was being talked about. Because I did not know the terminology, even the jokes that were made that referenced verses were beyond my comprehension. The others would laugh along and I felt as though if someone were to observe, it would immediately be obvious that I was an outsider. I immediately felt out of place for not knowing what was expected at any given moment. I received many stares from people because I was new. It was a very small church where everyone knows each other by name; I immediately felt like an intruder. Even in the small talk that took place before and after the service, they referenced events and experiences that were very foreign to me.
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Post by brittanysinitch on Feb 14, 2016 23:08:32 GMT -5
My secondary discourse happened in the theatre. Musical theatre has been a part of my life ever since I was a little girl. Theatre is more than just getting up on stage and reading lines. It is becoming a character, it is memorization, it is technique, it is balancing acting, singing, and dancing all at the same time. Theatre is learning how to count your 8's in your head, while belting out your solos, and staying in character. A kick, ball, change, is surprisingly not what you think it is. I'd like to believe that I am an expert in theatre, but I am not. There is something to learn about myself while performing, and even more to learn about performing itself. I most definitely learn through experience and grow into more of an expert after each experience. Even though I do not believe I have completely mastered performing, I was able to help someone become more comfortable in theatre, their secondary discourse. Kristina, was working on her audition for an upcoming production. Before speaking to Kristina, I observed her. She looked frustrated and puzzled and it seemed like she was confused about something. After approaching her, she explained that she was nervous about singing her 16 bars and she was unsure if she was hitting the correct notes. Through previous experience I have learned how to handle an audition, how to prepare 16 bars appropriately, and how to stay CALM! I was able to offer my advice and guidance to Kristina. We went through the different terms she should be familiar with, how to determine what her vocal range is, and important audition techniques. Although I would not call myself a master in my secondary discourse, I would say that day I felt like one, because I was able to offer advice and guidance to someone who felt lost. We may have students who feel lost one day through their secondary discourses and we as future educators, can step in and lead our students in the right direction.
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Post by mju13 on Feb 15, 2016 12:00:43 GMT -5
My secondary discourse occurs within one of the clubs I'm a part of. The club is the Korean American Student Association and while during meetings and events there really isn't much that stands out, there was one time where I realized how my discourse compared to that of my Korean and Caucasian friends. We had gone out to eat at the Korean BBQ and after ordering and slowly receiving our food, I realized how my caucasian friends began eating once they each got their plate. One of my friends and I waited until everyone had their food in front of them to eat. However, I was waiting because at home we wait until everyone has food to eat (and I usually wait until everyone starts before I begin), but my friend who is Korean, was waiting because he was the youngest. His primary discourse was to wait until all his seniors began to eat. In this case I had to begin to eat so that he could also start eating which was very unfamiliar to me. While it was something small, it was something that really struck me.
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Post by parkerh13 on Feb 15, 2016 20:30:23 GMT -5
My secondary discourse is at my work place. I work at Chick-Fil-A on West Tennessee and when people walk into any Chick-Fil-A they expect to be treated a certain way and to hear a certain form of speech. There is an expectation for any team member working with us that they will treat everyone with the utmost respect. They will use amazing manners and they will use language that is very guest centered. If I were to see if a guest would like sauces instead of saying "what sauces do you want?" I would say "May I get you any sauces today for your meal?" This language puts the guest in control and makes the guest feel as though it really is "our pleasure." Another discourse at CFA is how we talk about the food. We shorten most meal words so we can speak quickly and understand each other. Some of these words though, have become a discourse between the team members and our guests. Usually when we say "sauce" everyone knows it is the CFA sauce. Having our guests join our discourse almost means that we are doing our job well, guests should feel comfortable and feel that it is an amazing experience every time they come. This discourse is not meant to make any one feel that they are outsiders but mostly for us to accommodate our guests better by being able to be more efficient with our job.
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Post by hannahhiester on Feb 16, 2016 11:44:20 GMT -5
I realized how my caucasian friends began eating once they each got their plate. One of my friends and I waited until everyone had their food in front of them to eat. I have met several people from France who have noticed a similar thing. They always wait until everyone has their food before eating and find it odd when people don't. Something else I have noticed is the waiting staff at restaurants take away your plate as soon as you are finished. In the UK it is more common for them to wait until everyone is finished eating before they clear the table. |
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Post by kcornelison93 on Feb 16, 2016 13:23:33 GMT -5
A secondary discourse I observed was that of archaeologists. Within this field, there is a difference between people who do their work in an office (curating, storing, other museum-like functions) and those who do the majority of their work "in the field." While, of course, there is communication between these two sub-sets but there is also a good amount of distance (likely due to the "goals" of each set. Likely, if someone were to ask a curator where the field team's "auger" was, they wouldn't know what it was or what it would look like. Often, these two subsets didn't go to school for the same things but still wound up working at a place called an "archeological center." So, anyone who went to "field school" would know what the auger is, how to use it, what it looks like, and any of the other bizarre looking contraptions in the archeology lab that anyone else wouldn't know what to do with. I didn't want his post to be too long so I'll wrap up with a few words that may be confusing: midden, lithic, debitage. These are words I personally had to look up!
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Post by andryahr on Feb 16, 2016 17:04:49 GMT -5
The secondary discourse I have experienced is at my job, a daycare. I started working there about three weeks ago and was basically thrown in. The first day I got there, they told me I'd be in "block room" and I had no idea what that meant so I kind of just lingered. It was really uncomfortable and I felt like I was already off to a bad start. All of our classrooms have names like this; "block room," "yellow room," "blue room." These were all names the students, teachers and parents would use with me and I would just sort of stare at them. Then came the time to go outside and the teachers were telling the kids to go to the "butterfly wall, "wait at the brick wall" and to "sit at the steps." Every student knew exactly where to go, which wall they were talking about, which part of the brick wall to go to, which steps to sit at. I basically lingered behind the kids waiting for them to direct me. When I see a student do something they shouldn't be doing I naturally go to say "don't do that" or "no," again I was wrong. There are sayings the teachers use to focus on the activity we want the students to be doing and not the one we don't want them to be doing, we say things like "you're making a bad decision," "on your bottom, please," "you're in his/her bubble," "use walking feet," "gentle hands," etc. Getting a hang of these sayings wasn't easy and I'm still struggling to use them naturally. I also still struggle to take charge when other, veteran teachers are around. I still feel like an outsider, in that they seem to have more authority of the kids. When I do something out of the norm or ask for help, I feel like I'm being judged. I love it there, don't get me wrong but it's definitely been a hard place to accustom myself to.
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Post by taylorsauban on Feb 16, 2016 18:36:52 GMT -5
The discourse I decided to observe was my work place at FSU Office of Admissions. I work in the telecounseling department where our main job is to call seniors in high school and congratulate them on their acceptance to FSU and help them prepare for their upcoming school year. I thought this would be a good discourse to look at because we recently hired about 20 new workers. I am one of the student supervisors now so I am in charge of training them for the first few weeks. Throughout the training, I have realized that I keep catching myself using expert bias when speaking to the new hires. There is a lot of terms that we use around the office that they would not be familiar with yet such as Talisma (our online system), complete/strike out, Attempts report, telecounseling, OMNI, and many acronyms we use to log phone calls. There are also written scripts we use when calling the students that might seem slightly unnatural to a newcomer. All of these things have become second nature to me as I was hired as a sophomore so it has been many years since I went through the training. Having to show them the ropes using very little background knowledge on their part has definitely made me aware of the second discourse and how much expert bias I have.
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