Post by rachelhinder on Feb 17, 2016 9:36:19 GMT -5
After looking into all the terms associated with the reading process I started to think about whether writing or speaking comes first. Is there really an order or does it depend on the person? Both of these skills are essential to function within a society. I do not necessarily believe one is more important than the other, but I think it may be easier to pick up speech in context than it is to learn writing in a language (especially when we think about to being a child). Thoughts?
Post by kcornelison93 on Feb 17, 2016 13:31:55 GMT -5
Rachel; it really depends on what your opinions are. If you're following Vygotsky's theories, language is developed for communicative purposes and since we start out with no language at all and develop sounds (babbling), those sounds are enough to communicate for small children. I guess I would say speaking comes first as there is less necessity for written communication at a young age, though it becomes necessary through our education. So, in that sense, writing/reading is more of an extension of our spoken language, right?
Post by rachelgoodbar on Feb 17, 2016 13:54:10 GMT -5
My thoughts on this are that it depends on a few factors. Whether or not its a first language and the person's own individual style. Pretty much all people develop language orally first since we can speak younger than we can write. But when it comes to learning a second language I feel like, at least for me, this has been reversed and its a lot easier to write than it is to speak. When it comes to the ability to speak well and the ability to write well I'm not sure which comes first since we tend to learn them at such similar times. I think that they go together and as our knowledge of vocabulary and our background knowledge grows our comprehension and ability to develop these skills increases.
Post by rachel1827 on Feb 17, 2016 14:34:55 GMT -5
I feel like it is a chicken and the egg situation. They are dependent on each other and when one skill develops the other skill also develops. I remember when I was in speech class I could read and understand some words but other words I couldn't prononuce others. The situation was reverse sometimes where I could pronounce would but I didn't have a clue what they meant. It is a very conditional argument. Kids learn at different paces and different things interested them. You also have to take into different types of discourse like primary and secondary. I had a friend that grew up on the farm and could speak but struggled to read. So many things can effect this which is why they should be considered equal because they are dependent on each other.
Post by rachelhinder on Feb 17, 2016 14:34:55 GMT -5
Rachel G, that is an interesting point about it being reversed when learning a second language. I had not thought about that, but I would say the same goes for me. Speaking English came before writing it, but in high school it was much easier for me to learn to write in Spanish than it was to learn to speak it. I guess necessity plays a big role in which comes first.
Post by rachelgoodbar on Feb 17, 2016 15:53:51 GMT -5
Rachel H I know it's weird how when learning a second language speaking is so much more important than writing, even with first languages in the beginning too. I don't really think that you can learn to do one without the other though. Trying to imagine learning how to speak French without being able to write or learning how to write French without being able to speak has to be extremely difficult, so I think they need to build off of each other at the same time to build a better student.
I like the way Rachel put it. It's very much a "Chicken and Egg" situation, and I think that's shown in the fact that we learn about different kinds of learners in other classes. Everyone learns differently, therefore it makes sense that people would progress differently. Generally, children are inundated with speech before they're taught to read, but that doesn't necessarily mean kids will be able to talk before they can make sense of the words. This is shown better with ELLs, where, for example, a student I work with can read whatever's on the paper, but still has trouble formulating her own sentences in English.
Rachel, I really believe that speaking comes before reading. I mean, thinking about it logically, a child's first words are typically "mom" or "dad" or some variation of that, and when they first say that word they have no clue how it's spelled or what it would look like written down. I know that personally I could speak and communicate verbally well before I could read or write anything.